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Post by Newsman on Feb 8, 2024 14:51:15 GMT -5
...today, the Surpeme Court will hear arguments on the eligibility of Donald J. Trump to run for a second term as President of the United States...(The Guardian) What to watch for as supreme court considers if Trump is eligible to run From the Guardian’s Cameron Joseph, here’s a primer of what to watch for as the supreme court hears arguments today over whether or not Donald Trump is eligible to run for president, because of his involvement in the January 6 insurrection. The case is one of the most politically charged the court has ever faced, and there’s plenty of speculation over how the body, which is dominated by its six-justice conservative majority, will rule: The US supreme court meets today to hear oral arguments on whether the 14th amendment of the constitution bars the former president Donald Trump from appearing on the ballot in Colorado and other states because of his role in the January 6 Capitol riot. The case is unprecedented: the clause has rarely been used since it became part of the constitution after the civil war in 1868, and it has never before been applied to a former president.
The oral arguments are expected to be something of a free-for-all, with nine justices asking about a bevy of unresolved constitutional issues. And the justices’ questions on Thursday could hint at exactly how they might rule.
What they have been asked to decide is whether Trump should not be allowed to run for president because of section three of the 14th amendment, which says no one who has taken an oath to support the constitution – typically administered when elected officials are sworn into office – and goes on to engage “in insurrection or rebellion” against the US, is allowed to hold public office again.
Many legal scholars and former government officials have made the case in briefs that the plain language of the amendment applies to Trump, but few expect the supreme court to, in effect, decide the 2024 election by disqualifying one of the main candidates. Court watchers suspect that they would rather not hear the case at all – and may seek to make as narrow a ruling as possible.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 14:53:22 GMT -5
(The Guardian) The supreme court is far from the only tribunal considering Donald Trump’s fate. While the issue they’re weighing is constitutional, the former president is facing dozens of criminal charges spread over four indictments, as well as several civil suits.
While the former president has sat in for some of his court hearings, such as the defamation lawsuit brought against him by author E Jean Carroll, and his arraignments on the state and federal charges brought against him, he is not expected to be here today.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 14:55:36 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Supreme court convenes to hear Trump election eligibility caseThe supreme court has gathered and is soon expected to begin hearing arguments from both sides in the case over whether Donald Trump is eligible to run for president because of his involvement in the January 6 insurrection. As Steve Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas, notes, the court won’t begin hearing the case immediately: Nor are the nine justices expected to announce their decision today. That is likely to come at some point in the future.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 14:56:42 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Jonathan Mitchell, a lawyer for Donald Trump, is up first as the supreme court begins hearing the case. “The Colorado supreme court’s decision is wrong and should be reversed for numerous independent reasons,” Mitchell said. By a 4-3 vote, the Colorado supreme court booted Trump from the state’s presidential ballot, a ruling that the former president is appealing. The US supreme court may decide the case in many ways, but it’s possible that they issue a broad ruling addressing the question of Trump’s eligibility in the various states where it is being challenged.
The plaintiffs trying to keep Donald Trump off presidential ballots are citing section three of the constitution’s 14th amendment, which bans people from federal elected office who have sworn an oath to support the constitution and who “have engaged in insurrection or rebellion”. At issue is whether that clause is self-executing, as in, whether or not Congress must pass a law to enforce it. Trump attorney Jonathan Mitchell was asked by conservative justice Clarence Thomas if section three was self-executing, and replied: There would not be any role for the states in enforcing section three, unless Congress were to enact a statute that gives them that authority.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 14:57:48 GMT -5
(The Guardian) The justices are taking turns bouncing questions off Jonathan Mitchell, the former Texas solicitor general who is representing Donald Trump. After a lengthy period of silence, conservative justice Brett Kavanaugh just asked his first question. We still haven’t heard anything from his fellow conservative Neil Gorsuch. All the other justices have had the chance to spar with Mitchell.
One of the arguments being made by Donald Trump’s attorney Jonathan Mitchell is that the president is not an “officer of the United States”, the role that section three of the 14th amendment singles out for disqualification. Liberal justice Sonia Sotomayor wanted to know more about that. “Your principal argument is that the president is not an officer of the United States, correct?” Sotomayor asked, to which Mitchell responded in the affirmative, while noting he would make his argument “a little more forcefully”. Before he could continue, Sotomayor interjected, wondering if Mitchell’s view wasn’t “gerrymandered” and “designed to benefit only your client”. “I certainly wouldn’t call it a gerrymander. That implies nefarious intent,” Mitchell replied.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 14:59:53 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Under questioning from liberal justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, Donald Trump’s attorney Jonathan Mitchell was asked to weigh in on whether January 6 was an insurrection. After some back and forth, Mitchell said: This was a riot. It was not an insurrection. The events were shameful, criminal, violent, all of those things, but did not qualify as insurrection as that term is used in section three.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 15:01:02 GMT -5
(The Guardianb) Attorney for group trying to keep Trump off presidential ballots begins supreme court argumentsDonald Trump’s attorney Jonathan Mitchell has wrapped up his arguments before the supreme court. Up next is Jason Murray, the attorney representing the Colorado voters who successfully sued to keep Trump off the state’s presidential ballot, and Norma Anderson, a former legislator in the state who signed on to the suit. As he began his arguments, Murray said: By engaging an insurrection against the constitution, President Trump disqualified himself from public office.
As we heard earlier, President Trump’s main argument is that this court should create a special exemption to section three that would apply to him and to him alone. He says section three disqualifies all oath-breaking insurrectionists, except a former president who never before held other state or federal office. There is no possible rationale for such an exemption, and the court should reject the claim that the framers made an extraordinary mistake. Section three uses deliberately broad language to cover all positions of federal power requiring an oath to the constitution. My friend relies on a claimed difference between an office under, and an officer of the United States, but this case does not come down to mere prepositions.The two phrases are two sides of the same coin, referring to any federal office, or to anyone who holds one.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 15:02:21 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Chief justice: 'handful of states' deciding election by omitting Trump is 'pretty daunting consequence'Chief justice John Roberts, a conservative, is asking Jason Murray about the precedent that would be set if Donald Trump is booted from the presidential ballot. “What do you do with the, what would seem to be, the big plain consequences of your position? If Colorado’s position is upheld, surely there will be disqualification proceedings on the other side and some of those will succeed,” Roberts asked. “In very quick order, I would expect, although my predictions never have been correct, I would expect that a goodly number of states will say whoever the Democratic candidate is, you’re off the ballot, and others, for the Republican candidate, you’re off the ballot. It will come down to just a handful of states that are going to decide the presidential election. That’s a pretty daunting consequence.” Murray replied: “There is a reason section three has been dormant for 150 years, and it’s because we haven’t seen anything like January 6 since Reconstruction. Insurrection against the constitution is something extraordinary.”
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 15:03:27 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Conservative justice Brett Kavanaugh is asking plaintiffs’ attorney Jason Murray about the necessity of relying on the constitution to disqualify a candidate for office if they committed insurrection, when they could just be prosecuted. Donald Trump is indeed facing federal charges for allegedly plotting to overturn the 2020 election, but those have yet to be decided. Immediately following January 6, the House of Representative impeached him, but the Senate rejected convicting him. “If the concern you have, which I understand is that insurrectionists should not be able to hold federal office, there is a tool to ensure that that does not happen, namely federal prosecution of insurrectionists. And if convicted, the Congress made clear you are automatically barred from holding a federal office. That tool exists, you agree, and could be used, but has not, could be used against someone who committed insurrection. You agree with that?” Kavanaugh asked. “That’s absolutely right, your honor,” Murray replied. “But I would just make the point that the framers of section three clearly understood that criminal prosecutions weren’t sufficient, because oftentimes insurrectionists go unpunished, as was the case in the civil war, and that the least we can do is impose a civil disqualification penalty.”
Jason Murray, the attorney for the people challenging Donald Trump’s eligibility, just wrapped up his arguments, but before he did, liberal justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wanted to hear his thoughts on the implications if the court turns him down. “If we think that the states can’t enforce this provision, for whatever reason, in this context, in the presidential context, what happens next in this case? I mean, is it done?” Jackson asked. In his reply, Murray argues that Trump’s eligibility could become an even more relevant issue if he wins the upcoming election, and members of Congress wonder if he is indeed eligible for the office: If this court concludes that Colorado did not have the authority to exclude President Trump from the presidential ballot on procedural grounds, I think this case wouldn’t be done. But I think it could come back with a vengeance, because ultimately members of Congress may have to make the determination after a presidential election if president Trump wins about whether or not he’s disqualified from office, and whether to count votes cast for him under the Electoral Count Reform Act. So, President Trump himself urges this court in the first few pages of his brief to resolve the issues on the merits, and we think that the court should do so as well.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 15:04:53 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Arguing now is Colorado solicitor general Shannon Stevenson. She kicked off her time before the justices by arguing that the Colorado supreme court decided the case correctly: Petitioner contends that Colorado must put him on the ballot because of the possibility there would be a supermajority act of Congress to remove his legal disability. Under this theory, Colorado and every other state would have to indulge this possibility, not just for the primary, but through the general election and up to the moment that an ineligible candidate was sworn into office. Nothing in the constitution strips the states of their power to direct presidential elections in this way.
This case was handled capably and efficiently by the Colorado courts, under a process that we’ve used to decide ballot challenges for more than a century. And as everyone agrees the court now has the record that it needs to resolve these important issues.
The supreme court has adjourned after hearing arguments over Donald Trump’s eligibility to appear on the presidential ballot for more than two hours. The justices appeared broadly skeptical of the effort to keep the former president off the ballot, with chief justice John Roberts worrying that, if they uphold the Colorado supreme court’s decision disqualifying Trump because he engaged in an insurrection, other states would retaliate against future Democratic or Republican candidates, potentially swaying elections. It is unclear when justices will issue their decision.
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Post by Webster on Feb 8, 2024 15:06:31 GMT -5
(The Guardian) Today’s supreme court hearing appears to be bad news for those hoping to disqualify Donald Trump from seeking the presidency because of his involvement in the January 6 insurrection. So says Derek Muller, a law professor at Notre Dame University: “The justices seemed poised to permit Trump to appear on the ballot and prevent states from excluding him without some mechanism from Congress. The justices seemed concerned that one state could affect the entire presidential election process, and that there needed to be some guidance from Congress before such an extraordinary measure could be taken. The Court seemed inclined to let the political process play out.” He continued: The Court will likely try to get an opinion out as quickly as possible in this expedited proceeding, perhaps even by the end of the month, to ensure that voters and candidates are on notice about how the presidential election will proceed. It’s not surprising to see the justices express discomfort with the proposition that the United States supreme court should wade into a factual and legal mire like this. But it was somewhat surprising that there seemed to be consensus around the theory that states could not do this without congressional legislation. The justices focused much more on the practical effect of ballot restrictions than anything else. Much of the briefing in the case leaned into a technical definition of ‘officer’, but few justices seemed very interested in that argument.
Donald Trump struck a gleeful note when he appeared before reporters just now at Mar-a-Lago to announce that he had been listening to the supreme court’s arguments on his eligibility to run for president, and liked what he heard: Despite what he says, Trump is not alone in the race for the Republican nomination. Former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley is still campaigning, though her days are probably numbered.
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